Meeting Minutes for Planning Council 2026-09-02

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 ### Meeting Minutes
 
+ - [2026-09-02](Planning_Council/2026-09-02.md)
  - [2026-08-05](Planning_Council/2026-08-05.md)
  - [2026-07-01](Planning_Council/2026-07-01.md)
  - [2026-06-03](Planning_Council/2026-06-03.md)

wiki/Planning_Council/2026-09-02.md

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+# 2026-09-02 Meeting Notes
+
+## Agenda
+
+- MPC and Java EPP package ownership
+- Status 2026-09
+- Java 25 policy for Platform in 2026-12
+- Schedules 2027-03 / 2027-06
+- Loongarch64 Support
+- IDE Startup Failure / ASM Issues
+
+
+## Minutes
+
+### MPC and Java EPP Package Ownership
+- Leif wants to hand over ownership of MPC and the Java MPC package
+- Talks about the takeover have already taken place
+
+### Status 2026-09
+- Good shape
+  - "Eierlegende Wollmilchsau": starts quickly, no wiring problems, preference pages load
+  - Minor problems were fixed quickly
+- Java 25 (and all other Java versions) just received a patch version release on top of minor version release from July
+  - It was just a security fix that came out of band and should not happen frequently
+  - Versioning schema: major.0.minor.oraclepatch.vendorpatch
+    - 21.0.10 - quarterly release
+    - 21.0.10.1 - oracle security fix
+    - 21.0.10.0.1 - non-upstream vendor-only fix
+
+### Java 25 Policy for Platform in 2026-12
+- Java 25 was allowed for 2026-09 in SimRel, is now allowed for Platform
+- First FFM usage proposed: https://github.com/eclipse-equinox/equinox/pull/1348
+  - Feedback is welcome
+  - Initial effort will be in adapting Releng
+- We may have low-hanging fruit for FFM adoption, like querying the Windows registry
+
+### Schedules 2027-03 / 2027-06
+- Proposal: https://github.com/eclipse-simrel/.github/pull/97
+- All times are shifted one week back because they were becoming one or two days earlier every year, and we did not adapt for several years
+- Just for information: Java 28 will be released around the same day as Eclipse 2027-03
+
+### Loongarch64 support
+- Recurring requests for loongarch64 support, e.g.: https://github.com/eclipse-equinox/equinox/pull/1319
+- Even though there are proposals for funding hardware, no one wants to own the ongoing maintenance in addition to that
+- If we do not find someone soon who wants to drive and own the topic, we should close all PRs with a corresponding note
+- Maybe some interested company could be convinced of long-term funding, e.g., via WG membership
+- In the long term, FFM might make this less of an issue overall
+
+### IDE Startup Failure from Update / ASM Issues
+- Issue: auto-update via p2 happened that prevented IDE from starting because of mixed set of ASM bundles
+  - Can basically happen every time a new ASM version is released
+  - One difficulty is that JaCoCo has very strict version bounds (including minor version upper bounds)
+- Root cause is that p2 does not know about the usage constraints defined for ASM bundles
+  - The resolver only fails later on
+  - For usage constraints in p2, also see: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=525368
+- Projects using ASM may consider alternatives
+  - In many cases, built-in capabilities of Java 25 will be sufficient: https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/25/docs/api/java.base/java/lang/classfile/package-summary.html
+  - JDT Core does not use ASM (only JDT Debug does), so using JDT could also be an alternative; it would just limit support to the JVM's Java version
+  - But we have many dependencies on ASM in SimRel, so EPP will depend on it for a long time
+
+### AOB
+- No concerns regarding the usage of AI for generating meeting minute proposals
+
+
+## Next Meeting
+
+Next meeting will be on October 7th, 2026.